SFP 23 – Episode 23: What directions do you choose in your conversations? – A face-to-face dialogue with Dr. Peter de Jong, Professor of Social Work, Emeritus
Simply Focus Podcast – Episode #23
Hosted by: Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat | Intro: Bibiana Czerny | Music: www.bensound.com
SFP 23 - Episode 23: What directions do you choose in your conversations? - A face-to-face dialogue with Dr. Peter de Jong
“And the model in a sense was invented by putting in a one way mirror, looking at the interactions, paying attention for when clients make progress and what secondarily the practitioner might do to be useful. And in that process they paid more and more attention to what clients said because the clients who made progress where the clients who were able to develop a very clear picture of a preferred future and once they had that they had ideas about how to go about making that happen. And I think what microanalysis does, it puts you right in that dialogue.”
“I think the key point is that when you take it into the practice world the practitioner’s response is so important, it’s influential. It takes the client in a certain direction by selecting or listening to a piece to focus on and then asking the other person to build on that.”
“What part am I going to listen to? Because what part you pick out and respond to, says to the other person what you think is important in what they said.”Dr. Peter de Jong
In today’s episode, we talk with Dr. Peter de Jong, Professor of Social Work Emeritus, LMSW, author and former adjunct at the Brief Family Therapy Center in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, where solution focused practices first were developed, about
- his book “Interviewing for Solutions” he wrote with Insoo Kim Berg
- what fascinates him about Solution Focus
- what changed for Peter since he was introduced to microanalysis
- the learnings and applications of microanalysis
- what he is listening for in a conversation
- the three-step dance of calibration or how conversations are being built between the participants
- the relevance of microanalysis for practitioners
- topic selection and how what we choose of the clients’ words directs the conversation
- intentional listening and how the way we listen influences the conversation
- how clients tend to follow where the practitioner goes and hence the importance of choosing useful focuses
- his fondest memories with Steve de Shazer and Insoo Kim Berg in terms of listening and privileging the client’s voice
- The challenge of the week: “Listen to someone about something that isn’t going right, or a problem or a concern. Be quiet, let the person tell the story, and listen to the story with the intention to give the person three compliments.”
- how to formulate compliments with the focus of “What do they care about?” and hints of what they have already done
- Find out more about Peter de Jong and the precious work around microanalysis on the website of the International Microanalysis Associates. And check out their research and publications that we mentioned in this podcast.
- Peter de Jong is co-author (a.o. with Insoo Kim Berg) of many journal articles and four editions of the book Interviewing for Solutions translated into twelve languages (in German: Lösungen (er-)finden: Das Werkstattbuch der lösungsorientierten Kurztherapie).
- Want to know more about microanalysis? Check out
- Episode #4 “The Art of Asking SF Questions” with Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat: /project/sfp-4-art-asking-great-solution-focused-questions/
- Episode #6 “SF Listening” with Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat: /project/sfp-6-solution-focused-listening/
- Episode #10 “Seeing Interactions” with Janet Bavelas: /project/sfp-10-seeing-interaction-interview-with-janet-beavin-bavelas/
- Episode #11 “Language of Hope” with Haesun Moon: /project/sfp-11-language-of-hope-interview-with-haesun-moon/
- Episode #18 “Teaching SF with microanalysis” with Haesun Moon & Bo Yon Koh: /project/sfp-18-learning-together-teaching-solution-focus-at-brieffest-with-bo-yon-koh-and-haesun-moon/
- Episode #23 “Directions in Conversations” with Peter de Jong: /project/sfp-23-what-directions-do-you-choose-in-your-conversations-a-face-to-face-dialogue-with-dr-peter-de-jong/
- Episode #44 “Effective Conversations” with Sara Smock Jordan: /project/sfp-44-how-to-learn-to-have-effective-conversations-with-sara-smock-jordan-ph-d-lmft/
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Inspiring conversations, an enjoyable improv theatre evening at Second City and a great learning experience at CCBC’s Brieffest Train-the-Trainer summer intensive in Toronto!
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